Be Excellent To Each Other

Squirt is now up for the chair, unfortunately Jock doesn't understand a word he is saying, he seems to be speaking Arabic...
Ah well, Jock hacksaws off his head anyway.

What's this, in his throat is a bit of paper he had been trying to swallow. With the schematics for a nuclear device and the location! A quick scurry over and one bomb dealt with, that was a bit of an anti-climax, wasn't it?

Squirt was a Terrorist.

<camera pulls back, in slides a scene with DavPaz, viewed down the sights of a sniper rifle, his head fills the screen... A shot is fired, at the exact same time that he is crushed by a van, the noise hides the muffled screams from inside.>

DavPaz was a Townie.



Jock has 3 days until the kidnappers kill Kima.


<BEEP BEEP BEEP>




Here is what we know so far...


Roles

Jock Bower * 1
The hero. You cannot be targeted or killed.
Win condition - Kima is free
Secondary win condition - stop the bomb
Action - Interrogate
Alignment - Good

FBI Agent * ?
On the side of the good guys
Win condition - all bad guys dead
Action - Investigate - find out the alignment of a person
Alignment - Good

Kidnapper * ?
You have Kima. As long as one of you are alive you are going to kill her at the start of day 6. You can talk to the other kidnappers. Each kidnapper taken out extends the deadline by a day.
Win condition - kill kima
Action - kill
Alignment - Bad

Head of CTU
You know who else is in CTU and can talk to them
Action - Protect - you can choose a person to bring into the agency overnight, nothing will happen to them.
Win condition - all bad guys dead
Alignment - Good

CTU Agent * ?
You can talk to the head of CTU.
Action - Block - you can choose a person to run an internet protocol event on, this stops them in their tracks for a night.
Win condition - all bad guys dead
Alignment - Good

Townies * ?
Win condition - all bad guys dead
Alignment - Good

Terrorist * 2
You have a nuclear bomb, as long as one of you are alive you are going to detonate it at the start of day 8. You know there is another terrorist, but you do not know who they are.
Win condition - BOOM!
Alignment - Bad





[playerlist]
Craster
zaphod79
Malc74
Mr Russell
TheFireFaerie
GazChap
Grim...
Ian Fairies
KovacsC
[/playerlist]

Actions sent to me by 10pm Monday please If Jock interrogates sooner than that, then the next day will start sooner than the deadline if all actions are in, and I get a chance to log on and sort it all out, otherwise the deadline will stick.

Can a mod sort the dead thread please.

Woo! Bomb dealt with! I'll assume that's the terrorists dealt with then.

Leaving us with 1+ kidnappers and presumably 1 SK-type fellow.

Huh, yeah - that was easy! Good one Russ.

Can anyone see any reason why the kidnappers and SK both targeted DavPaz?

Perhaps the 'boring for the townies' message rang false ?

A bit of luck regardless but still two killing roles out there and we're running out of people - did you manage to get 3 for 3 Mr Russ ?

Right - i'm not going to be around much over the weekend so i'm not ignoring things just not here , i will be checking in and i'll be back on before the end of the day

Man, everyone hated DavPaz.

There's still a worrying amount of kills happening.

That's because there's still a worrying amount of killers. I take it you have no more good news for us this morning, Russ?

I have news, but rather than jump in with that news let's see who thinks I should have investigated last night?

Works. I'd have investigated Ian.

I have no idea. Of the people remaining, Craster is Jock and Russ is the FBI Agent.
That leaves seven other players, of which one must be a kidnapper and one is presumably the SK, with another person being the CTU head (again, presumably, unless we have a double-agent somewhere who is playing two roles.)

Do we have another kidnapper too? Another CTU agent? Considering we've had two kills a night for three nights, if there is another CTU Agent they don't seem to have had much success with blocking, so I'm inclined to think GJ was the only one. I suppose there's also the possibility of another, silent, FBI Agent who's hiding behind Russ for the moment.
The person making me the most suspicious is Kovacs. One post right at the very start and then complete silence. At the very least I think he should be interrogated for lack of contribution to the game (although yes, I know "kill the silent one" never really seems to pay off, but we'll kick ourselves if he turns out to be the only remaining kidnapper.)

Those are my thoughts so far.

Shoulda done Grim...

Well, there was only one kill lat night, so maybe Squirt the terrorist was alsoSquirt the SK? Or simply that there is no SK and the terrorists were always allowed to kill we just managed to get rid of them super quick? Because although Squirt went to the chair, if he'd had a kill action unless he was blocked by head of CTU, wouldn't that action still have gone ahead?

Basically, I'm not sure we have an SK!

No, the interrogation happens before the night actions, so Squirt wouldn't have got to do anything.

Oooh, so there is still a killer! :-/

I'd probably have gone for me if I were you, because everything is about me, right?

Or Kov, for what Malc said.

From how I read it, there were still two kill actions, just both targeted at DavPaz.

Right-oh.

Time for a bit of a reveal then.

Grim... is a baddie of the baddest proportions.

Woah woah woah.

No I'm not

Which means either you're in a bastard role and have been very lucky, or you're lying and are very lucky.

Lying about the role you have, I mean. Well, and the fact that I'm a meanie.

I find that incredibly hard to believe, Grimothy. (that Russ is a baddun, I mean)

Surely the odds of being *that* lucky are stacked well against him? OK, the odds of picking three bad guys on three consecutive nights are also pretty slim, but to do that without actually being investigative, and thus making complete guesses?

The only possible way I could see this even being remotely likely is if Russ, Squirt and Curio were kidnappers and they've sacrificed the two of them for the sake of Russ looking good. But this would all come crashing down the moment he gets one wrong, so it's not exactly a long term strategy.

Well, you'll see that I'm talking FACT when I'm Jocked tonight, but I totally wouldn't believe me either.

Give it a little while though, in case Russ was being funny or something.

Oh indeed, no rush.

If some good folk would assume that I'm telling the truth for a bit (which I am), what does that mean for the town? Is Mr Russell bad, or just wrong?

This is why I waited to ask who we should investigate, as I wanted to see if anyone came up with some information.

But yeah, Grim...'s bad.

Assuming Russ is good (evidence is overwhelmingly in favour of that), then unless there's another role that - when activated - misleads the investigator I can't see why there'd be any reason for Russ to lie?

If I am being misled then I've at least been right so far.

If you're a goody Grim... (which you're not) then who should be up for interrogation instead of you?

You, obv.

Thinking on, either you're a mean'un or someone has made a mistake, because it would be crushingly unfair to have a bastard role in a game where no-one knows the roles.

Or, when I die tonight, I'll suddenly be a baddie. Which wouldn't surprise me that much.

Gerrim' Jock!

Diiiirty al kieedah, come over here and steal our white wimmin. We got a saying out here on the farm "Don't be steelin', our wimmin".

While I'm inclined to think Russ is entirely correct, I'm also slightly concerned about the odds of hitting three bad 'uns in a row.

Good odds indeed innit. I guess the only way to prove me right is to interrogate Grim... and eliminate another baddy.

As always, the first time I give up a goody, feel free to interrogate me the next day.

Given its a trooper game anything is possible but I'm more suspect of russ now for pulling 3 bad guys out of 3 - I don't think we can go for anyone other than grim... As the interrogation tonight but I am wondering if russ's role is really all good .

An extra thought to throw into the mix - there has always been the max number of killing which (assuming the ctu head is protecting russ) means that neither bad side has targeted him ? (May just be that they are not wasting a kill on him when they know they will be blocked but I don't like the way the co-incidences are mounting up)

Well we know there is a CTU head, and I can't see why the CTU head wouldn't protect Russ. So why would the killers waste a hit? Surely they'll be trying to find the CTU head first?

A rogue Fed agent? It's like a James Patterson novel.

If Russ wasn't who he says he is then the real FBI would have challenged him already. We know the FBI agent hasn't been killed.

Unless the real Fed is KovackS and Russ has him hostage hence the reason he's not said anything!

No, he's the real deal init.

Unless its like that episode of Red Dwarf and he's sniffed coincidence crystals!

No, he's a fed.

I'm suspicious of anyone who says otherwise, to be honest.

This is going to happen. Assuming you're good, you need to be ready to accept the fact that it turns out you suck at being an actual detective.

There's something about this that isn't sitting right with me at all.

Not as wrong as it's sitting with me, I can assure you.

Hahaha. Excellent though.

Er, but if is the case, how will we know either way?!

I think you'd have to assume that it wasn't the case, to be on the safe side.

Just some really rough numbers

Night 1 - we have the 'wrong' interrogation but everyone else was alive lets say there were 2 terrorists + 4 Kidnappers + 1 madman which is 7 baddies out of 16 remaining players he wont investigate himself or Jock so that leaves 7 out of 14 so a 50% chance of a baddie
Night 2 - we have a 'correct' killing so start the day with 14 but there is a dead terrorist - so 5 baddies left out of 14 minus Russ / Jock and Curiosity who he already knows is bad gives 5 out of 11 so a 45% or so chance of a right choice
Night 3 - we have a 'correct' killing so start the day with 11 and 4 baddies , take out Russ / Jock and Squirt means a 4 out of 8 chance - 50% again

So if the numbers there are correct that's not quite as far out of whack as I first thought - anyone see any obvious mistakes in the numbers ?

One of a number of things will be revealed tonight.

1) Russ has been lying all along
2) Grim... is a bad guy
3) Grim... is a special kind of bad guy that won't break under pressure, meaning the interrogation result will be false, leading us to lynch Russ, who will be the FBI head.
4) Grim... is a good guy, but something out there made him be investigated as a bad guy.

How on earth we work out which of those has happened if it isn't 2, I have no idea.

I'm not going to bite on any of the Is Russ actually good stuff.

Just interrogate Grim... and then give him kudos for providing a defence that actually got people wondering, which is a damn hard task to achieve.

Well indeed.

Grim...! I have here a copy of "Curio's 100 Favourite Britpop Classics" and a set of electrified nipple clamps! But before all that, it's time for an interrogation.