Be Excellent To Each Other

Don't bring a knife to a gunfight, kids



Just... awesome. There are occasions when I absolutely *love* America. They show us the way, people.

Gotta love the Prince of Peace.

I misunderstood the sub-title and thought you were advocating stabbing them in the, um, bottom

Only a semi? Down my my local CoE youth group they're handing out belt-fed .50 cal Brownings.

It beats the hell out of Gordo's plan to make kids go and look at knifing victims in hospital. Honestly, do they seriously expect these kids, when confronted with someone else's massive wounds, not to go "coooooool"?

As long as they don't train the idiots how to shoot properly. They get all gangster holding the guns horizontally and all that, but it's actually a lot harder to hit anybody with a gun from even a few feet away without a lot of practice. There are about 2-3 shootings near me a month, and very few of them result in anything other than minor injuries as they're all really shit shots.

That's just astounding!

This reminds me of the story about the american car dealership that gave away a free gun with every car purchase.

There was also the bit in Michael Moore's Bowling For Columbine about the bank that was giving a rifle away with every new account opened.

Why did we ban guns in this country, eh? It's not like gun crime has reduced.

That's what came straight to my mind, also.

Two things you don't want to be associated there: guns and banks.

Ditto: guns and religion.

Well obviously gun crime is going to go up if you make "gun crime" include "owning one".

It is interesting how little most people care about guns here, compared to how rabid so many Americans will get about them one way or another at the slightest provocation.

We don't have some apparently unchangable 'constitutional right' to bear arms. The idea you might change an idea someone had 200 years ago is apparently impossible.

Besides, who'd want bear arms anyway?

The right was more to form militias, tbh. And as a measure to prevent governmental tyranny or foreign invasion, it's totally obsolete now, anyway - the guy in the F-22 isn't really going to care about your shotgun. And if you want to form an underground resistance, why would you stop just because it was illegal to have a gun?

But hey ho.

He might if he was flying really low, and slowly, and you were a really good shot.

Anyway, just because it's obsolete for the purpose intended doesn't really make any difference as far as I can see - it's in the constitution, it's unlikely to ever be removed and judges have to interpret it as written.

True. It's fun taunting them, though. I had one bloke on a forum a while back trying to tell me how it was all because the British tried to disarm some colonists at ... ah christ, I forget the name of the place, but it was the opening battle of the revolutionary war.

He started on this after he realised where I was from, and claimed that 'another major event' of the war of revolution was when the British disarmed some colonists at Boston before letting them leave the town. Naturally, I wrote an essay-length layman's explanation of the real causes of the war just to laugh at him.

He was twice my age and lived for decades in the country, takes the right to bear arms incredibly seriously and has absolutely no idea why, and had the stupidity to try talking down to me about it. Just made up reasons as he went along based on ad hominems. I mean, honestly, disarming refugees a 'major event'? An entire revolution starting because a bunch of people protesting about taxation without representation were placed under arrest (or almost, anyway)?

It was great fun. It's so easy to wind that sort of American chap up sometimes. If I ran the place I'd probably ban them just to see them howling and wailing in the street.

Neither do the Americans, unless you interpret the US Constitution in a rather odd manner.

I'm no lawyer, but I reckon that's pretty clearly saying the people have the right to bear arms. The reason for that right is a militia, but it is not limited to that. If it had said "A free press, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to free speech, shall not be infringed.", I don't think people would limit it to the press only.

Sinister Agent - Battle of Lexington? Where the Massachusetts Militia had been hording weapons, including heavy cannon, therefore proving that the War of Independence was not a spontaneous uprising sparked by British taxes, but a long planned and prepared for action?

You can hold full-auto's sideways so they 'kick' from left to right, allowing you to spray a room more efficiently. The army call it the 'death grip' apparently, because if you're up against that many targets you a probably fucked.

This, of course, only works if the ejection port is facing towards the ground. Otherwise you get a bit of a jam, quite quickly, and you risk blowing your hands off

Really? The speed the shells are kicked out at I'd be surprised if gravity caused a problem, unless there's something well funny about the ejection mechanism.

Depends on the gun, some extractors do really, really good jobs and will quite happily work with gravity pulling the shell back into the gun. Others don't, and have difficulty.

The alternative is to join the French Army so that you get P90s, which have their ejection port on the bottom anyway. Only problem with that is that the French are shit.

I was thinking about that when I posted, oddly enough, as that's one that you could happily hold either way up if you wanted to be gangsta. And it's nice to see the French being kind to the lefties. I've always wondered how lefties cope with normal automatic weapons with the ejection port on the right side.

They hold them upside down.

Lefties in the British Army are trained to fire right handed, I believe.

Anyway, when is all this caseless ammo gonna come in? Ejection port woes solved for ever!

Not according to Aliens

The most excellent G11 was binned on account of being too costly, sadly. Was my favourite weapon in Fallout 2, but was a bugger to get ammo for. Much as the German Army envisaged it being.

Correct. The L85/SA80 is right-handed only. Terrible gun though, not because of all of the reliability problems that it had (which have now been sorted) but because swapping magazines is a ballache, you have to feel up your own armpits.

TRUFAX. I have used one of these on a range at Sandhurst back in my "I'm joining the army" days and it was a pain in the bottom. The "correct" method for reloading and chambering involved knackering your wrist. They're not bloody light, either.

With the optical sight it was a piece of piss to target shoot with, though.

If I could get hold of one legally, I'd stick one of the L85 tritium sights on all of my guns. They're fucking brilliant.

I was reading an article on an airsoft site by a guy who was getting hold of loads of gen-you-wine SA80 bits for his airsoft replica - lots of bits of it aren't restricted. I'm surprised if the sight's restricted, as that, surely, can't be classed as either dangerous or secret? Eejit guvmint.

I think it's a shame the rather good, and much better looking, EM2 was cacelled due to American intransigence over NATO standardisation.

I think it's because any of the tritium sights are still essentially property of the MoD and would therefore be illegal to own.

That's the one. It was still caused partly by taxation, surely, and harassment of shipping and such - just not spontaneously.