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Grimlock versus Starscream, to the death, who would win?

I'm talking original G1 models. e.g. you can't say that Starscream has Underbase. No tricksies.

Grimlock in the cartoon would own Starscream. The UK comics are a different story altogether as Grimlock was more of a special ops agent in that. Overall I would say Grimlock. I think in the cartoon Grimlock even did over Prime on a couple of occasions.

Grimlock.

Here's my favourite transformer.



It's the Flatto P240 , which converts 240 volts down to 110 volts for industrial uses.

Excellent, look hard enough and you can almost make out a face on that.

Starscream, man. Starscream would fight dirty, and beside, the lesser Decepticons always beat the Autobots. Then Prime would win the final battle.

This.

Pah. Sky Lynx would shit on both of them.

Sky Lynx vs. Omega Supreme, to the death, who would win?

My money's on Omega Supreme, especially if he turns into a train and goes around on his small track for a bit, going 'Whoo whoo!' That's why he's the guardian of the Ark.

We're all talking about the Marvel/Marvel UK Transformers universe, right?

Good.

(Though the IDW comic series is pretty damn good. Apart from some of the mini-series.)

Simon Furman's always talkative and friendly at conventions, BTW.

Omega Supreme would squish him. What was the deal with Sky Lynx anyway? The poor dude had no robot mode and he was stuck with some weird bird head on a gangly neck. No wonder he was such a dick most of the time.

Unicron. If you mean the 'dark god' Unicron of the comics.

I'm going to buy a reissue Sky Lynx for £40 and shipping. Nothing can stop me!

http://www.hlj.com/product/TKT78590

Including, it seems, sanity. That is one ugly toy.

Does it transform in to Rupert Bear? If it doesn't it appears to have stripped him naked and stolen his clothes. Poor Rupert.

This thread has seriously reinvigorated my childhood joy for Transformers (except that picture of Sky Lynx that looks so cheap and tacky it could easily be a Go-Bot).

In fact, I'm going to get the DVD of however many series I can get at lunch in a mo'. My interested peaked by this clip of the intro to the cartoon on Youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxXH_CBrj2A

Perhaps we should have a Wednesday afternoon quiz where bezzie mates are CHALLENGED to list the names of all 'formers in the intro BY ORDER OF APPEARANCE? In the format of a list!

Thank you very much for that link. I saw a Sky Lynx in Southampton's Forbidden Planet for £90 and it made me all want-y.


Who here has the biggest Transformers collection, then? I have 109. That does include mini-cons, granted, but I only have a handful of them.

Try HMV or online—most places have the box-set in cheap-o-price. Frankly, I'm not surprised—the cartoon really doesn't hold up well these days, unlike some of the comic (the stuff the US didn't have anything to do with, natch).

Okay!

Bumblebee, Optimus Prime, Ironhide
Thundercracker, Sky Warp, Starscream
Mirage, Prowl
Megatron, Soundwave
Ratchet
Jazz
Laserbeak, Ravage
Sideswipe, Wheeljack, Hound
<lots of 'em, impossble to say>

Thundercracker!? That's a fart euphemism in this house!

You'll be overjoyed to know that one of the Dinobots is called Slag, then.

Oh, hey, is anyone going to Auto Assembly in Birmingham this summer?

I may go to this.

Also, was Prime pretty much the worst leader ever. In the first episode he sends a couple of autobots on a surveilance mission to scout what the Decepticons are doing. He explicitly says just watch them. One tries to fire on Megatron and misses (somehow) thereby alerting the Deceptocons to the Autobots being revived. Prime just says don't worry about it. I'd have come down on him like a ton of bricks.

Prime's decision-making was always pretty questionable. Remember that story where he got that kid to blow him to pieces, because he'd 'lost' a virtual game? (The fact that his brain somehow fitted on a 5.25" floppy was pretty apt.)

I don't know. Just casually leaving the dead autobots in the arc alongside a sentient computer capable of rebuilding them was (and I know hindsight is 20/20) a massive fuck-up on the part of Megatron.

Sky Lynx is the saddest transformer I have ever seen.

It looks like a 20p kids ride.

Didn't he actually win the virtual game, but then allow himself to be blown up anyway as he felt that he had cheated by acting out of character within the game and letting some innocents die? Even though it was a f****ing game!

(I know eff-all about Transformers, but remember seeing this comic and having it stick with me)

That's pretty much it. Mind you, in the comic-book version of Transformers, almost all of the leaders were utter dicks. Just about the only one that appeared to have some kind of consistent success was Soundwave.

True. They were dead though. I would question starscreams judgement of shooting at some rock before the decepticons left which knocked prime into the regenerator in the first place.

I don't remember the kid blowing up prime story, but that is exactly the sort of prickish behavoir I would expect of him.

Oh, god, I hated that story. I remember reading that and being confused by it in relation to the film. Then years later, understanding that it was so Prime was dead as he was in the cartoons, I could only wonder "Is that the absolute worst story they could think of for writing him out? Was it on purpose?" Awful.

And hey, Shockwave did pretty well for himself. Other than Buster doing annoying well against him that one time. At his lowest ebb he just hung around in his tower and sulked, whilst playing with Cyclonus' dismembered corpse. That's pretty cool as far as nadirs go, for Transformers.

What did shockwave do for the 4 fucking million years that megatron was stuck on earth? It must have been a bit of a shock when megs contacted him. From the cartoons it looked like he was basically on cybertron, by himself, sitting there in his giant gun mode.

As far as I recall, in the comic-book, he figured something was wrong, tracked Megatron to Earth and then had a big fight with the Dinobots in The Savage Land. In the cartoon, he did fuck-all. And in some of the modern comics continuities by Mr. Furman, there are bizarre-o-dates, with millions of years between events, despite the fact that it always looks like Cybertron's population is about 5000.

The upcoming year's TF products here.

I actually got Omega Supreme at Jolly Giant. He wasn't official, but grey and sold as Omegatron. He was fucking fantastic.

That said, the real war would be Metroplex vs. Trypticon. They were big fuckers.

They were. I knew a guy who had the Metroplex toy, and it was awesome, until he snapped it in half due to it having a really weak middle bit that a child could easily destroy.

That said, I've got a feeling that Fortress Maximus is the biggest (it's certainly the biggest toy, or was at least), but I can't remember if this is in comics or cartoons or both. Someone who knows/cares more than me?

Fortress fucking Maximus: now there's a blast from the past.

I used to hae Metroplex. he was great. You could stick the Aerialbots on his arms and legs to bulk him up further. Got him one xmas and Scorponok the next. I was well into Transformers.

I had another one that I don't remember the identity of. He was quite late on (in my era); a triple changer of a dark greenish hue that turned into a rocket launcher and something else.

Fortress Maximus was the largest G1 character. Toywise, I think he is still the largest, but Supreme Cheetor from the Beast Machines era runs him close. He might even shade it.

Anyway, here's a recent eBay auction for the second rarest Transformer ever.

Omegatron? Officially licensed from Takara, apparently. Cool.

EDIT: http://www.e-hobby.co.jp/cgi-bin/omc?po ... code=tfe28
(Special 'Guardian' reissue of Omega.)

In the fiction, but the toys aren't that big. (Trivia: there was a Decepticon Metroplex called Metrotitan in Japan. And a Godzilla-fied version of Tryp' called Giga Storm. Wooyeah.)

P.S. Xaaron cosplay LOL

Well, he's sad now you've slagged him off.

I was highly amused that both Starscream and Cobra Commander (from GI Joe) had the same voice*... and the same personality. I'm doubly glad that Blue Laser from the Homestar Runner Cheat Commandos (Os. Os-sie-os) has their best attempt at that voice.

*actor

Wow. I surprise even myself with my ahead-of-the-curve coolness.


Man, I had never heard of Metrotitan til today. That sounds fantastic.

That said, my friend when I was six had a catalogue of TF (you know, the fold out thing), which had the Predacons and stuff on it. Think it was American. I was well jealous.

I had a similar knock-off set of the Constructicons, which my parents found in one of the many dodgy Chinese toy stores in Toronto that supplied me with so many weird and cherished import toys during my childhood. Instead of neon green, half were red and half were orangey yellow. They still assembled into Devastator, which was nice (and I already had the big scoopy bulldozer one in 'proper' green so I could give my not-Devastator one green leg if I wanted).

Not long after, I got a baby Godzilla toy which had one of those long, sticky rubber 'tongues'. Also in his container were a series of printed tokens that you spread out to try and slap and catch with the tongue.

Interestingly, the yellow-and-red Devastator was printed on one of the tokens (and Van Buskirk from Lensman on another). Odd coincidence?

There was also a Visionary who was also basically Starscream, I WAS amused

That sounds like the original Diaclone version of the Constructicons http://1501bc.com/pretf/pictures/construction_vehicle_robo_1_6.jpg

So in a sense, they weren't knock-offs, but the originals!

Super-thread-necromancy!

Anyway: Watching Cartoon Network with the Grimlet allows me to see the new toys that are coming out, and look: Marvel Superhero Transformers.



But who are they going to fight against?

Supervillain Transformers?

But there aren't any.