The Traitors

Mr Russell · **Joined:** 6th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 12334

We just watched the first episode of this on iPlayer.

It's basically Claudia Winkelman hosting a game of Mafia with some weird Fort Boyard bits shoe horned in.

I am gripped!

Mr Russell · **Joined:** 6th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 12334

Episode 2 down.

This has the lot. Being forced to go to bed before I binge watch the lot.

This is all kinds of ace.

Trooper · **Joined:** 4th Mar, 2010 **Posts:** 22392

It's great, they are all so clueless.

Kern · **Posted:** Sun Dec 11, 2022 22:55

I was sceptical when I heard about it but two episodes in and I'm hooked.

I'm very impressed with the editing and story telling.

Running hot and cold on Winkelmann at the moment. It's good for her to play against type but occasionally she's not as in control as I'd like: when she misses a beat it's really noticeable.

Kern · **Posted:** Sun Dec 11, 2022 23:23

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Just noticed that after a murder they fly the flag at half mast.
This is the attention to detail that I love.

Mr Russell · **Joined:** 6th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 12334

Kern wrote:

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Just noticed that after a murder they fly the flag at half mast.
This is the attention to detail that I love.

Oh that's a nice touch!

Mimi · **Joined:** 27th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 26076

Kern wrote:

I was sceptical when I heard about it but two episodes in and I'm hooked.

Did you spot the Only Collect alumnus, Kern?

Kern · **Posted:** Mon Dec 12, 2022 9:01

Mimi wrote:

Kern wrote:

I was sceptical when I heard about it but two episodes in and I'm hooked.

Did you spot the Only Collect alumnus, Kern?

No, but I can imagine OC contestants playing a lot of Mafia!

Mimi · **Joined:** 27th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 26076

It took me a few moments to work out where I’d seen him before, but Ivan has been on OC.

Kern · **Posted:** Thu Dec 22, 2022 11:16

Watched the penultimate episode last night.

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Start of episode: it has to be a boy
End of episode: let's all vote off women!

Oh dear.

Still, i can emphasise a bit with Maddy. Always sucks to work it out early but never get anyone else on board. But I've never tried role claiming "homeless person on Eastenders".

Kern · **Posted:** Thu Dec 22, 2022 23:25

The final

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Wow! Just... wow!

(more thoughts to follow once I've had time to process them)

Kern · **Posted:** Sat Dec 24, 2022 10:26

This slipped under my radar, and I was only told about it on BeeX. I was very sceptical about the show and the host. I stayed away until some other people mentioned it, then binged the first three episodes in one go as it swiftly became my TV show of the year, and totally unexpectedly.

I absolutely loved how carefully constructed each episode was, telling the stories in just the right way whilst also allowing us to get to know the players and care for them. I kept on switching from being Team Faithful to Team Traitor. The dramatic tension wouldn't have worked if the audience didn't know who was who.

Despite my doubts about Claudia, I now think she was a great choice, getting the mix of sympathy and spice just right.

The set design and b-roll of the Scottish highlands were a visual treat.

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Kieron's backstabbing at the end was brilliant. I made the mistake of peeking at Twitter and some are complaining that he shouldn't have been allowed to do that. I completely disagree. He didn't say Wilf was the traitor, just planted sufficient seeds to make people join the dots, and besides, the game is about wielding the knife anyway. It still took the others a while to work it out, but the drama of when Hannah's flame turned red was definitely one of the "holy crap!" TV moments of the year.

I'm not sure if I was right about the flag thing, but did anyone else notice the rather scary portrait of Claudia in the breakfast room?

Back in July, I wrote about my experiences of Mafia and how I'd long since moved on but have very fond memories of those days. If anything, this reminds me how much fun GMing it is. I wonder if the players were specifically forbidden from playing a quick round during the show?

"Next time" trailers should fuck off to the end of the credits, or just fuck off altogether however. Part of the excitement is not knowing who will be back. I had to remember to have the remote in hand to cut the picture to avoid them every episode.

Trooper · **Joined:** 4th Mar, 2010 **Posts:** 22392

Traitors Australia : enjoyable from the start, they are all so very Australian. Better than the UK version I thought, but not by much.

Traitors USA : horrendous people, some of which you will genuinely despise. Almost turned it off after a couple of episodes as it is all so fake and "American". Stick with it though as the second half is great.

Mimi · **Joined:** 27th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 26076

Where can you watch the Australian version, Troops? We watched half of the first episode of the American one and bailed on it. Those people are all just horrendous and fake, just as you say. Not sure I can push on through with it.

Trooper · **Joined:** 4th Mar, 2010 **Posts:** 22392

I had to torrent the Australian version, don't think it's on UK TV anywhere

Zardoz · **Posted:** Tue Jan 31, 2023 19:56

I binged this fairly recently. Far better than it had any right to be. Worried that another season wouldn’t work as the combo of contestants were absolutely perfect.

Kern · **Posted:** Mon Feb 06, 2023 9:16

Finished the US version at the weekend.

Alan Cumming hosts in a very different way to Claudia Winkelmann. He certainly isn't as motherly and far more icey, but adds a sense of mystery and feels naturally at home in the environment. In a way, it's like the difference between the classic hosts of the Crystal Maze: you could picture O'Brien living in that world whilst Tudor-Pole was only visiting.
I liked how he started to create a character for his groundkeeper - again, shades of O'Brien and Mumsey.

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I found the non-beautiful people more interesting and engaging than the "stars of shows I've never heard of". Shame they got rid of the Kentucky guy early on as I loved his accent. He did make the classic first timer mistake of going to overboard with accusations early on.

I did like Cirie - she's almost as vicious as Amanda. I was surprised at how undramatic the final reveal was. I didn't feel any emotion in the way I felt at the end of the UK one. Also, the faithful should have picked up on that hint by the guy leaving, but no.

It was fun, and definitely builds over time, but was carried more by the host - Alan lit up every scene he was in, and not just due to his fashion choice. As with the UK version, I didn't feel like I got a sense of the geography of the castle: which rooms lead where, who can overhear who, etc. I also wish the producers would give us some hint as to how people find out about the murder - are they all summoned to the diary room each night to record their reflections and one person finds the death note? Or is it just a note under the door saying "don't come in today".

Kern · **Posted:** Sun Aug 13, 2023 20:59

Just finished the Australian version.

Giphy "mind-blowing":
https://media2.giphy.com/media/26ufdipQqU2lhNA4g/giphy-loop.mp4

Zardoz · **Posted:** Sun Aug 13, 2023 22:47

Just finished the Aussie version too, very good.

I’ll try and watch the USA one again but last time I didn’t have the stomach to get through episode one, weird they used some reality tv ‘stars’ rather than just everyday folks.

Mimi · **Joined:** 27th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 26076

The Americans really ballsed the format up. I found it unwatchable but loved both the Brit and Aussie ones.

Zardoz · **Posted:** Fri Aug 18, 2023 14:04

Tried the USA one again but still couldn’t stomach them. More UK & Aus please.

Dr Zoidberg · **Joined:** 15th Oct, 2010 **Posts:** 5397

There’s a New Zealand version too

Mr Russell · **Joined:** 6th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 12334

Dr Zoidberg wrote:

There’s a New Zealand version too

On iPlayer?

Trooper · **Joined:** 4th Mar, 2010 **Posts:** 22392

Season 2 of the Australian version is currently being shown... In australia

Mimi · **Joined:** 27th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 26076

Season 2 of the U.K. show has launched with an initial
Three episodes on iPlayer.

Zardoz · **Posted:** Thu Jan 04, 2024 10:21

2 episodes in, off to a good start!

Mimi · **Joined:** 27th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 26076

Just watched episode 3, and OMG.

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Brian! What are you doing, Brian?! You sweet, complex man. As I was watching him self-immolate I was at once utterly baffled but I also totally recognised myself in him. I’ve never wanted to hug anyone in TV more. Can’t believe they’ve left that cliffhanger!!

Zardoz · **Posted:** Fri Jan 05, 2024 10:24

Ah, see, now I thought

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what the fuck are you doing you fucking idiot! All they did was pop your name in a questionare before they really knew you and said you’re most likely to be a sheep, just keep quiet man! I think he’s written his own name down

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Mimi · **Joined:** 27th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 26076

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I absolutely said to Russell ‘I bet he’s panicked and put his own name down’

Zardoz · **Posted:** Fri Jan 05, 2024 11:51

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He was making up words too, proper meltdown… I did feel sorry for him. Shut the fuck up!!!

Zardoz · **Posted:** Fri Jan 05, 2024 11:52

Also:

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Mum and son, guessing BUT a real mum and son!!!

Kern · **Posted:** Fri Jan 05, 2024 21:40

Just watched episode 3 so can join the Spoiler party.

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Argh! Poor Brian. Totally recognised that panic from my own Mafia playing days. Yet he managed to score a hit even if it was by accident.

Traitor Paul deserves to be lynched banished for his villainous laugh in the diary room alone.

If Ash survives the tower talk will be fun

Trooper · **Joined:** 4th Mar, 2010 **Posts:** 22392

I'm halfway through the second season of Aus Traitors at the moment, watching them both at the same time is a bit of a head fuck

KovacsC · **Posted:** Sat Jan 06, 2024 12:21

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I did feel for Brian. What a cliffhanger, there is no need

Mimi · **Joined:** 27th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 26076

C’mon Kov. Spoilers for the folks that haven’t had chance to watch yet.

Mimi · **Joined:** 27th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 26076

Trooper wrote:

I'm halfway through the second season of Aus Traitors at the moment, watching them both at the same time is a bit of a head fuck

Where are you watching the Australian 2nd season, Troops?

Trooper · **Joined:** 4th Mar, 2010 **Posts:** 22392

Mimi wrote:

Trooper wrote:

I'm halfway through the second season of Aus Traitors at the moment, watching them both at the same time is a bit of a head fuck

Where are you watching the Australian 2nd season, Troops?

Dodgy downloads from usenet. I'd upload them somewhere for you, but it's 15gb, and would take forever at my upload speed!
The should be available on torrents though.

It's amusing as they are hopeless at the game

KovacsC · **Posted:** Sat Jan 06, 2024 18:04

Mimi wrote:

C’mon Kov. Spoilers for the folks that haven’t had chance to watch yet.

My bad. Sorry

Kern · **Posted:** Sat Jan 06, 2024 18:09

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Sheep

Zardoz · **Posted:** Sat Jan 06, 2024 20:44

KovacsC wrote:

Mimi wrote:

C’mon Kov. Spoilers for the folks that haven’t had chance to watch yet.

My bad. Sorry

You could still spoiler your post :roll:

KovacsC · **Posted:** Sat Jan 06, 2024 21:24

Zardoz wrote:

KovacsC wrote:

Mimi wrote:

C’mon Kov. Spoilers for the folks that haven’t had chance to watch yet.

My bad. Sorry

You could still spoiler your post :roll:

Good point. Done

Zardoz · **Posted:** Sat Jan 06, 2024 21:42

Trooper · **Joined:** 4th Mar, 2010 **Posts:** 22392

Australia season 2 spoiler

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that was incredible, all of them were the worst players I've ever seen, and they all thought they were brilliant.

Perfect ending though

Mimi · **Joined:** 27th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 26076

Trooper wrote:

Mimi wrote:

Trooper wrote:

I'm halfway through the second season of Aus Traitors at the moment, watching them both at the same time is a bit of a head fuck

Where are you watching the Australian 2nd season, Troops?

Dodgy downloads from usenet. I'd upload them somewhere for you, but it's 15gb, and would take forever at my upload speed!
The should be available on torrents though.

Aw, nice thought anyway. I’ll keep my fingers crossed that the BBC show it at some point as we don’t really have anything to torrent with anyway

Trooper · **Joined:** 4th Mar, 2010 **Posts:** 22392

Mimi wrote:

Aw, nice thought anyway. I’ll keep my fingers crossed that the BBC show it at some point as we don’t really have anything to torrent with anyway

Looks like they are all on here to stream. 9 episodes in the series

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x8n720f

I strongly recommend watching it, as then i'll have someone to spoiler chat with about it, it's incredible.

Mimi · **Joined:** 27th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 26076

I’ll ask Russell if he can work out a way for us to watch that on our TV! It really is a brilliant watch.

Trooper · **Joined:** 4th Mar, 2010 **Posts:** 22392

Mimi wrote:

I’ll ask Russell if he can work out a way for us to watch that on our TV! It really is a brilliant watch.

That season in particular is a glorious thing, for good and bad reasons

Zardoz · **Posted:** Sun Jan 07, 2024 20:59

I’m turkeying for more Traitors!

Trooper · **Joined:** 4th Mar, 2010 **Posts:** 22392

Zardoz wrote:

I’m turkeying for more Traitors!

You should watch Aus Season 2 then.
To quote a random reddit review "I doubt I'm going to remember any of the better seasons in 10 years time, but I suspect I'm still going to remember the fucking insanity of AU Season 2"

Kern · **Posted:** Fri Jan 12, 2024 11:56

Episodes 4 & 5

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Watching Paul's megacunning masterplan seemingly backfire was so satisfying, then the Faithful totally failing to see the massive big arrow over his head and ganging up on one of the nice ones instead was so dismaying.
Paul's reached pantomime villain levels of evil now.

Harry is just brutal and I'm quietly rooting for him at the moment.

Not sure about the bathing interludes however.

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