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DavPaz wrote:
What's the story behind the camo tyres?
They are Cult Vans. So basically they have the Vans tread pattern from the shoes on them. They come in all sorts of funky colours. That bike is a modern one I ride. U.S made, weighs mid 20s. So nearly half of one of my tanks I don't ride. The stickers are like, Sega themed so I just rolled with it.
My mate calls them "Seagull shit" tyres. He's got a point.
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I have almost no idea what any of that means JohnCoffey, but your bikes look really cool.
Titanium, carbon, drilled chains etc. As Colin would have said "Adding lightness". I have to lug that big orange bike up 6 flights of stairs, and it used to weigh a lot more. Was killing me, so I became a weight weenie.
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He's the unhappy looking chap, holding up the bloke on the bike. I was looking unhappy because I'd just seen the Manchester Evening News sports photographer pointing his camera at us. On reflection, the unhappy look is probably better than a stupid grin that I might have had a few seconds earlier, after Hugh had picked me at random to hold him up at the start of the race. And of course, I was dead chuffed when the photographer turned up at a club night a couple of weeks later to give me the photo.
2. Who's the other geezer?
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Hugh Porter, World Pursuit Champion 1968, Runner up 1969
3. Why should the bloke on the bike have been disqualified from this race, bearing in mind that it was a track race at the long defunct Fallowfield Stadium (AKA The Harris Stadium)?
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If you look at his front wheel hub, you'll see there's a bit of tape wrapped around the right fork. This was holding his quick release lever in place. I don't know about these days, but in 1969 you couldn't have quick release wheels on a track bike.
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I'm right in the middle of the group behind two other guys, waiting to jump if I saw a gap. I can't remember my final placing, but definitely not the top 3.
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Obviously (?) the rider on the left. This was a '2 Up' 25 mile team time trial in 1969, on what is now the M56 in Cheshire, with Carl Penny, my school friend who encouraged me to join Abbotsford Park Road Club and take up racing.
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Was that guy disqualified because you were holding him up?
No, and I was going to say that he couldn't have been standing still without support with both feet in the toe clips. But this isn't true. He could probably have stood still for several minutes.
When I was racing, one of the things we used to practice was the 'track stand.' For those not in the know, this is the ability to stand still, usually on the track banking, as a tactic to make your opponent(s) go in front of you so you could get the advantage of riding in their slipstream to conserve your energy and then pass them coming around the last bend to win the race. If you're unable to keep your balance and put a foot on the track, you're disqualified. This was usually in 2 man sprint races, but here's an example of this in a "REVOLUTION Longest Lap' race, something that we didn't have when I was racing. This is where in the racers aren’t supposed to cross the finish line for the first 3–4 minutes. At a random point between 3-4 mins, the starter will fire the gun signalling the “start” of the actual race. So you see them edging towards the finish line to gain the lead once started but is very hard to maintain.
However, as far as I know, no races are started in this way, it's usual for a non-racing team mate to hold a racer up at the start of many track races. As well as practicing at the track, Carl and I and some other kids used to practice track stands together in the school playground to see who could stay upright the longest. To make it even more difficult, we also used to do it without our hands on the handlebars, once we'd got steady. We used to draw quite a crowd to watch at times. You can sometimes see cyclists doing track stands while waiting at traffic lights.
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Excellent pictures Warhead!
I used to do track stands at the lights (especially when I had clips), but I couldn't get the acceleration from that, that I could get with a push off the floor, so I reverted to that method, maybe with practice I could've done better, but I didn't do I didn't
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When I first went to secondary school, it was boys only, but at the end of the second year we changed from Grammar school to Comprehensive and merged with a local mixed sex Tech school. We thought we'd impress the girls by swanking around in our cycling gear and doing track stands. They indubitably thought we were dick heads.
I think we spent as much time perfecting our track stands as we did on race training.
I didn't know that the two photos of me competing had been taken until they were handed to me. We had a couple pf photography enthusiasts in the club and they'd go to all the races to take photos of their club mates.
I'm a bit late but those camo wheels on JCs bike are fucking rad!
And cool pics Warhead.
Two of the coolest things I think can be done with bikes are wheelies, and trackstands.... I can do neither....
I forgot about wheelies.
As well as racing and touring bikes I’d had what I thought was a cycle speedway bike, but which was really just a rough track bike and looked very much like what became BMX bikes years later. I must have been about 12 when I acquired it, so it would have been 1966. If I remember correctly I swapped it for another bike that I rarely used. The frame had been hand painted bright orange and it had loads of stickers on it, one of which said 'Stamp Out Finks.’ It's the only sticker I can remember. Unfortunately I don’t have a photo of that bike. It had a single very low gear, with a freewheel, straight front forks and knobbly tires. In design terms it's was pretty similar to John Coffey's bike, above, but not as flashy, including only having a back brake which they don’t have on speedway bikes.
Anyway, in a field at the side of the River Mersey in Didsbury one of the local cycle speedway clubs had built a track. It wasn't fenced in, so anyone could use it at any time, except when there were organised race meetings there. There was no seating, it was just in the middle of a small field, flanked by Ford Lane on one side and the Mersey embankment on the other. I just checked Google maps and there's no sign of it now, the space appears to be overgrown with trees.
I’d ride down there regularly, usually with one or two friends, as it was only about a 10 minute ride from home. But no-one in my circle of friends had a similar bike, so they all wanted to have a go on it on the track. I also used to go to see some of the race meetings, which looked just like this.
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And looks like this these days.
It's only now, when I've Googled to see if cycle speedway is still a thing (and it is) that I discovered that it was hugely popular, and in the Manchester area in 2014 there were all these clubs: Belle Vue Gladiators - Blackley Flyers - Blackley Monarchs - Blackley Panthers - Bolton Boomerangs - Briercroft Bats - Bury Comets - Chesham Comets - Chorlton Aces - Dean Devils - Denton Pirates - Denton Stars - Gorton Pirates - Manchester CSC - New Mills Eagles - Openshaw Monarchs - Tameside CSC. I had a look on the British Cycling website and it still lists quite a lot of speedway clubs, but having had a look at some clubs in the Manchester area, it looks like some suspended activities at the start of lockdown and haven't updated their websites since then.
I never looked into joining a club or riding competitively and by 16, I’d moved on to road racing, time trials and track racing and sold the track bike.
An odd memory about this was that I’d wrecked a pair of trainers riding that bike, because I was always trailing my left foot on the ground going around the bends on that track, or doing ‘broadsides,’ in other words skidding sideways, which we all used to do in a cinder based car park on School lane that belonged to the ABC Weekend TV studios, which was mostly empty during the week. My dad had bought me a pair of steel toe-capped shoes for use with the bike, but I even managed to damage the left edge of the sole, so he got it repaired, but had metal studs installed along the outside edges to prevent that happening again.
But to get back to the original point of this tale, the speedway bike was great for doing wheelies and I’d do them on our quiet cul-de-sac, or on the rough lane that ran at the back of our house, or anywhere else whenever I had the chance.
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Joined: 30th Mar, 2008 Posts: 14411 Location: Shropshire, UK
Yeah, that's the one I've got. It's pretty good, nice and easy to ride, the controller can be a little fiddly sometimes though -- the LED that shows you what 'power' setting you're on isn't always that visible, and it seems to revert back to a white LED after a set time so you have to press the button again to see the current mode colour.
Other than that, absolutely no complaints! Very well put together bike!
Joined: 30th Mar, 2008 Posts: 14411 Location: Shropshire, UK
Absolutely fine. I mean, I'm no expert or anything, but once I got my fitness level up I found it so much easier to ride consistently without the pedal assist.
It's pretty lightweight for an e-bike, I think it's about 12.5kg.
I do sometimes wonder if I'd have been better off buying a bike that had suspension forks on the front, but it's only slightly uncomfortable on my butt and I think that's just because I'm not really that used to riding still.
I got a folding eovolt morning and couldn't recommend it. Whizzes up hills but sluggish on the flat, not great battery life and needs a thorough drying after cycling in the rain otherwise it seizes up. Avoid!
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Forgot to mention that one of the things I really liked about the Ribble is that to someone that doesn't know about bikes, it doesn't look like an e-bike -- the frame is a similar kind of size to a standard bike and there's no obvious battery pack sticking out anywhere.
Today I learned the difference between a freewheel and a cassette but I don't know which I have on my Dawes Horizon. Not that it matters, it's just that since I first heard of cassettes, many years ago, I assumed that it was only the method of fitting the cogs on the hub that had changed, not that in a cassette all the cogs are loose.
And I have it in my mind that we used to call them a 'block' before cassettes were introduced.
That sounds rather poor! Is it the folding that seizes up?
Yep, and the wheels making an annoying squeaking noise.
Also, my pedals have fallen off four times, once leaving me lying in the middle of the road outside London Bridge station. Don’t know why I persevere with it, thinking about it!
Forgot to mention that one of the things I really liked about the Ribble is that to someone that doesn't know about bikes, it doesn't look like an e-bike -- the frame is a similar kind of size to a standard bike and there's no obvious battery pack sticking out anywhere.
I was thinking that — when I looked at the link Bobby shared I didn’t think it was an e-bike at all initially.
That sounds rather poor! Is it the folding that seizes up?
Yep, and the wheels making an annoying squeaking noise.
Also, my pedals have fallen off four times, once leaving me lying in the middle of the road outside London Bridge station. Don’t know why I persevere with it, thinking about it!
That sounds outright shit, and quite dangerous!! You may want to get a new one!
And yeah, I really like how it looks like a normal bike.
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